History Proves Many Doctors' Recommendations are Disasters

[fruits&nuts]

"History is full of good scientific knowledge being shoved under the rug by ego-driven physicians and rigid institutions that resisted change in an effort to keep things operating in the status quo, a resistance that continues to this day.

Some of medicine’s most glaring historical (sometimes hysterical) misadventures include:

* Bloodletting as cure-all
* Evolution of germ theory
* Dr. Semmelweiss and his hand-washing recommendation
* Promotion of cocaine, heroin, and other narcotics
* Promotion of cigarettes
* Blindness in babies
* The shoe-fitting fluoroscope
* Lobotomy
* Thalidomide
* DES
* HRT: The menopause “cure”
* H. pylori, the true cause of ulcers
* The Human Genome Project
* The Vioxx disaster that killed 60,000"

See more at:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/23/history-proves-many-doctors-recommendations-are-disasters.aspx?source=nl

[GardenGritty]

I'll add a few more since I do extensive research on this topic.

We've turned very vital medicinal plants with illness and disease curing properties into terrible "weeds" and kill them off with toxic chemicals while we spend trillions of dollars on disease and illness causing "drugs". Yet the citizenry is just as guilty to keep on demanding their bag of drugs!!! Unbelievable.

"I firmly believe that if the whole materia medica could be sunk to the bottom of the sea, it would be all the better for mankind and all the worse for the fishes."
— Oliver Wendell Holmes, M. D.
Professor of Medicine at Harvard


Excellent, very eye opening reads -

http://www.whale.to/b/ruesch.html
"Thus newspapers continue to be fed with propaganda about drugs and their alleged value, although according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 1.5 million people landed in hospitals in 1978 because of medication side effects in the U.S. alone, and despite recurrent statements by intelligent and courageous medical men that most pharmaceutical items on sale are useless at best, but more often harmful or deadly in the long run.

The truth about cures without drugs is suppressed, unless it suits the purpose of the censor to garble it. Whether these cures are effected by Chiropractors, Naturopaths, Naprapaths, Osteopaths, Faith Healers, Spiritualists, Herbalists, Christian Scientists, or MDs who use the brains they have, you never read about it in the big newspapers.

To teach the Rockefeller drug ideology, it is necessary to teach that Nature didn't know what she was doing when she made the human body. But statistics issued by the Children's Bureau of the Federal Security Agency show that since the all-out drive of the Drug Trust for drugging, vaccinating and serumizing the human system, the health of the American nation has sharply declined, especially among children. Children are now given "shots" for this and "shots" for that, when the only safeguard known to science is a pure bloodstream, which can be obtained only with clean air and wholesome food. Meaning by natural and inexpensive means. Just what the Drug Trust most objects to.

When the FDA, whose officials have to be acceptable to Rockefeller Center before they are appointed, has to put an independent operator out of business, it goes all out to execute those orders. But the orders do not come directly from Standard Oil or a drug house director. As Morris Bealle pointed out, the American Medical Association (AMA) is the front for the Drug Trust, and furnishes the quack doctors to testify that even when they know nothing of the product involved, it is their considered opinion that it has no therapeutic value......"

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/TheDrugStoryBeale.htm

[GardenGritty]

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/TheDrugStoryBeale.htm

"Dr. George Starr White has built up one of the largest medical practices in the United States by using the brains God gave him. He is independent of the Medical Chamber of Commerce, the Drug Trust, the Fuhrer of Medicine and all of their satellites. He doesn't give a hoot what they think of him, or try to do to him.

He says in plain words that the "benefits" of sulfa and penicillin have been misrepresented. That the term "strep throat" is hokum. That the socalled viruses are merely fancy words for the common cold — words use to extract more money out of the victims of allopathic greed. I quote him:

"During the past year (1943) the medical profession has received warnings from practically all of the large drug houses, who manufacture sulfa drugs. These warnings state that the more widely these drugs are used, the more experience the profession has gained which is not wholly favorable to them.

"These tablets have been openly sold in drug stores. I have seen many an auto driver unable to steer his car, taken in as a 'drunk', when upon examination it was found that he had simply lost his power of orientation, from taking two or three sulfa tablets the night before 'to ward off a cold'.

"Many an airplane pilot has steered his plane into a mountainside, causing deaths of all on board. I have learned that, at least several of these dead pilots, had taken sulfa tablets to 'ward off a cold' the night before.

"Sulfa drugs have a tendency to cause the victim to lose his powers of orientation. He cannot reach with his arms and legs where he thinks he is going to reach. He cannot steer his automobile or plane where he thinks he is going to steer it. He cannot gauge depths above or below the surface of the earth. These drugs temporarily destroy a person's ability to judge direction or distance.

"Penicillin is nothing more than a bread mold, that our grandmothers used to grow in earthen crocks for making poultices to cure infected sores and sore throats, now known as a 'miracle drug.' The pharmaceutical cartel, in order to start a fad, took a short cut to make the mold and used it by way of the hypo needle to make it look more 'professional.'

"In making it quickly, with expensive machinery, they turned a natural curative product into a poison. By injecting it into the blood stream they contrived to poison the whole system, whereas ordinary bread mold, placed on the outside as a poultice, drew the poison from the blood.

"They have taken natural bread mold, and so 'refined' it that it becomes poisonous — causing blisters, hives, arthritic pains and deposits of colon bacteria that never existed before."

The last annual report of the Rockefeller Foundation itemizes the gifts it has made to colleges and public agencies in the last 30 years, and they total just short of a half billion dollars. These colleges, of course, teach their students all the drug lore the Rockefeller pharmaceutical houses want taught.

Otherwise, there would be no more gifts, just as there are no gifts to any of the 30 odd drugless colleges in the United States. The amounts outlined in the Foundation's report cannot be ignored."

[GardenGritty]

Our Daily Meds: How the Pharmaceutical Companies Transformed Themselves into Slick Marketing Machines and Hooked the Nation on Prescription Drugs (Hardcover)
by Melody Peterson
http://www.amazon.com/Our-Daily-Meds-Pharmaceutical-Prescription/dp/0374228272/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222232496&sr=1-1

[tughillcam]

yep...
better research that weed before you kill it - or arrest someone for having it

[amandarez]

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/TheDrugStoryBeale.htm

"Dr. George Starr White has built up one of the largest medical practices in the United States by using the brains God gave him. He is independent of the Medical Chamber of Commerce, the Drug Trust, the Fuhrer of Medicine and all of their satellites. He doesn't give a hoot what they think of him, or try to do to him.

He says in plain words that the "benefits" of sulfa and penicillin have been misrepresented. That the term "strep throat" is hokum. That the socalled viruses are merely fancy words for the common cold — words use to extract more money out of the victims of allopathic greed. I quote him:

"During the past year (1943) the medical profession has received warnings from practically all of the large drug houses, who manufacture sulfa drugs. These warnings state that the more widely these drugs are used, the more experience the profession has gained which is not wholly favorable to them.

"These tablets have been openly sold in drug stores. I have seen many an auto driver unable to steer his car, taken in as a 'drunk', when upon examination it was found that he had simply lost his power of orientation, from taking two or three sulfa tablets the night before 'to ward off a cold'.

"Many an airplane pilot has steered his plane into a mountainside, causing deaths of all on board. I have learned that, at least several of these dead pilots, had taken sulfa tablets to 'ward off a cold' the night before.

"Sulfa drugs have a tendency to cause the victim to lose his powers of orientation. He cannot reach with his arms and legs where he thinks he is going to reach. He cannot steer his automobile or plane where he thinks he is going to steer it. He cannot gauge depths above or below the surface of the earth. These drugs temporarily destroy a person's ability to judge direction or distance.

"Penicillin is nothing more than a bread mold, that our grandmothers used to grow in earthen crocks for making poultices to cure infected sores and sore throats, now known as a 'miracle drug.' The pharmaceutical cartel, in order to start a fad, took a short cut to make the mold and used it by way of the hypo needle to make it look more 'professional.'

"In making it quickly, with expensive machinery, they turned a natural curative product into a poison. By injecting it into the blood stream they contrived to poison the whole system, whereas ordinary bread mold, placed on the outside as a poultice, drew the poison from the blood.

"They have taken natural bread mold, and so 'refined' it that it becomes poisonous — causing blisters, hives, arthritic pains and deposits of colon bacteria that never existed before."

The last annual report of the Rockefeller Foundation itemizes the gifts it has made to colleges and public agencies in the last 30 years, and they total just short of a half billion dollars. These colleges, of course, teach their students all the drug lore the Rockefeller pharmaceutical houses want taught.

Otherwise, there would be no more gifts, just as there are no gifts to any of the 30 odd drugless colleges in the United States. The amounts outlined in the Foundation's report cannot be ignored."


GardenGritty - your quote is from 1943. Anything more recent that shows that people who take sulfa antibiotics (which are NOT sold anymore OTC) have coordination problems?

The sulfa antibiotics do have increased allergic reactions associated with them - that is why they are not considered for children and are only first line for very few illnesses. They need to be reserved for serious suseptible bacterial infections -MRSA infections for one.

[lorna-organic]

I took sulpha drugs for years as a child because of chronic post-operative infections. As an adult I have autoimmune problems and chemical sensitivity, probably caused by the amounts of sulfa given to me as a child. One doctor told me to never to take sulpha again in my life.

Drug companies used to research cures. They don't do that anymore. That is not where the money is for them. If they cure somebody of a disease, that person will no longer need to spend money on drugs. The current premise of drug companies is to hook people for life. There will be no cure for diabetes, hypertension, or any other disease, because drug companies want people to have lifelong dependeny on drugs--to have to purchase drugs for the rest of their lives.

The TV commercials for drugs are appalling. The ads casually mention all sorts of wicked side effects, whilst making it sound like only a few people suffer life-threatening side affects or die from using this drug. Only a few?!! The number of modern drugs which have the side affect of increasing susceptibility to viral infection makes me think this is a built in component to cause people to be sick!

How many of our elders believe they will die if they don't take a battery of assorted pills every day? How many of our elders have to compromise their dietary intake because they cannot afford both good food and the cost of all of those prescription drugs? The modern agenda regarding prescription drugs is unethical, corrupt and immoral.

Lorna

[plot_thickens]

And yet modern medicine saves millions of people each year.

Humans make mistakes. Some humans willfully do so. Conclusion: Research anything your doc recommends and decide for yourself. Turning off your brain is the most thorough suicide.

[tughillcam]

yup, I agree

[FritzDaKat]

"Drug companies used to research cures. They don't do that anymore. That is not where the money is for them. If they cure somebody of a disease, that person will no longer need to spend money on drugs."

It's a shame that more of the many Physicians who really want to help people dont study a little further and take it upon themselves to do their own pharmacological research. :(

Yay Asian medicinal Herb garden!!! :D

[plot_thickens]

Drug companies used to research cures. They don't do that anymore. Lorna

I'll have to disagree here - that's a pretty big generalization. When I worked at one, they were making pretty good strides at cancer-treaters. These drugs are being used instead of chemotherapy, which is just poison that the tumor is a little more susceptible to than you are. Currently going the FDA pipeline (which does take quite a long time), these drugs are proving effective at curing cancers like non hodgkins lymphoma at significantly higher rates than existing treatments.

So why does it look like drug companies aren't curing anything?

Because all the low-hanging fruit is gone. They can't cure the common cold, and viruses are totally untouchable. Going forward, diseases won't be biggies like polio, so they don't get headlines. Similarly, their cures won't be headliners.

But did you hear they're finding ways to curb neurological problems like Autism? No? I thought that was pretty big. But no headlines.

Small advances are still advances. And for the record, I think this discussion should be the PR surrounding existing pharmaceutical drugs and their reprehensible testing and reporting procedures.

[countrygma]

And yet modern medicine saves millions of people each year.

Humans make mistakes. Some humans willfully do so. Conclusion: Research anything your doc recommends and decide for yourself. Turning off your brain is the most thorough suicide.

They may "save them" or prolong their lives but at what cost to the quality of life in many instances? and to what profits for the big pharmas..etc?

They usually don't cure them..

There are lots of alternatives that would actually cure if they hadn't been swept under the rug, or outlawed by so called modern medicine.

[plot_thickens]

They may "save them" or prolong their lives but at what cost to the quality of life in many instances? and to what profits for the big pharmas..etc?

They usually don't cure them..

There are lots of alternatives that would actually cure if they hadn't been swept under the rug, or outlawed by so called modern medicine.

What cures? Where? I'd LOVE to know about them, if they're not urban legends!

Hello! My name is PLOT_THICKENS and I have been saved by modern medicine!

At birth, I became entangled in the umbilical cord and would have died if I had not been hooked up to a foetal heartbeat monitor -- they found out that there was trouble and saved me before I was even born.

My appendix became infected and I had to have an emergency operation.

I have had UT Infections and sinus infections and strep throat a buncha buncha times.

Sooooo let's see. That's modern medicine in the form of medical machines, surgery techniques, and drugs that have saved me. I am CURED of these problems, and now am costing them nothing. That obviates your claim that they are maliciously trying to keep people sick. "Keepin a brotha down!" "The white man wants to keep us 'beaners' scrubbing their toilets!" Pffft. It doesn't sound convincing from YOUR mouth, either, gma.

By the way, since I worked for Big Pharma at one time, does that make me the Evil Man? Trying to make money off everyone's sickness? None of the folks I worked with thought that way -- I was thoroughly impressed by their dedication to curing people.

Have you ever met drug scientists? Every single one I knew of had at least one dog. These dogs were adopted from drug trials from other companies. Since animals cannot be used in drug trials for very long (and there are a lot of other rules), they get adopted out. Sometimes the dogs are sick, sometimes they're healthy, but non-scientist people really don't want ex-drug trial dogs. Guess who adopts them, brings them with to work so they can sleep under the desk, feeds, them, takes care of them, takes them to the vet? And cries for them when they die? And then goes and gets another pet that everyone else is scared of?

Drug scientists are not evil people, gma, you're demonizing folks you haven't met yet. The real problem is drug PR, occasional bad scientists who take bribes the lack of oversight, and $#*@#$#@ doctors who can't be bothered to do their own research.

[countrygma]

I just saw your response to this today. Wasn't intentionally ignoring your reply.


What cures? Where? I'd LOVE to know about them, if they're not urban legends!

See, that's the problem, anything that really works is considered a urban legend, not that there are not plenty of so called cures around that deserve that title. But no more in alt. therapy than in allopathics. Take statin drugs for instance!

I personally know that there are many alternatives that work where allopathics fail. Take viruses for example.. there are good immune system inhancers on the market that keep many people and animals from getting colds and flu, and help with other illnesses also. I am a personal testament to this. I have lung issues, and most people with my problems are in and out of the hospital with pneumonia on a regular basis and have lots of colds. I have not had one cold or the flu (and I take NO vaccinations) since I had pneumonia in Jan. of 2001. I got serious at that time about being responsible for my personal health and have worked on it ever since, using both supplements and nutrition. I sure didn't learn about the things I do from any allopathic dr.

Viruses CAN be dealt with alternatives.. I know anti biotics don't touch them.

Hello! My name is PLOT_THICKENS and I have been saved by modern medicine!

At birth, I became entangled in the umbilical cord and would have died if I had not been hooked up to a foetal heartbeat monitor -- they found out that there was trouble and saved me before I was even born.

My appendix became infected and I had to have an emergency operation.

I have had UT Infections and sinus infections and strep throat a buncha buncha times.

Sooooo let's see. That's modern medicine in the form of medical machines, surgery techniques, and drugs that have saved me. I am CURED of these problems, and now am costing them nothing. That obviates your claim that they are maliciously trying to keep people sick. "Keepin a brotha down!" "The white man wants to keep us 'beaners' scrubbing their toilets!" Pffft. It doesn't sound convincing from YOUR mouth, either, gma.

So since I obviously came across as sounding like I think the entire allopathic system is worthless and uncaring, I apologize, as that is not what I meant. I know there are many caring drs out there, whose biggest sin is just like you said below, they don't research the things they prescribe. And that to me is a biggy.

And without allopathics for emergencies, accidents, shootings, heart attacks, etc..as well as the instances you gave, many more people would die. That is great that they have the means to save a baby in utero and take care of things like appendicitis.

However, in my experience and based on much studying, you would have been much better off being treated alternatively for UT Infections and sinus and strep throat.. Seldom any reason for those things to occur over and over if a person has a decent dr. or practitioner or knows personally how to eat and what supplements to take to prevent them.

I also believe that some machines cause more harm than good, ex. mammograms..which have been shown to actually cause cancer due to breaking cancerous cysts, and over use of radiation (x-rays). I don't know that much about other machines because I seldom do allopathics, but there might be others..

I do believe in most instances cancer could be treated better and more effectively with alternatives instead of chemo and radiation.

By the way, since I worked for Big Pharma at one time, does that make me the Evil Man? Trying to make money off everyone's sickness? None of the folks I worked with thought that way -- I was thoroughly impressed by their dedication to curing people.

Again, I apologize for inferring everyone who works for big pharma is bad. It is obvious from the whistle blowing that goes on, that many good people work there. It is the people in authority, that control things that are criminals and need to be outed and imprisoned.

Have you ever met drug scientists? Every single one I knew of had at least one dog. These dogs were adopted from drug trials from other companies. Since animals cannot be used in drug trials for very long (and there are a lot of other rules), they get adopted out. Sometimes the dogs are sick, sometimes they're healthy, but non-scientist people really don't want ex-drug trial dogs. Guess who adopts them, brings them with to work so they can sleep under the desk, feeds, them, takes care of them, takes them to the vet? And cries for them when they die? And then goes and gets another pet that everyone else is scared of?

Nope, never met any drug scientists. Sounds like there are good ones around. Tell me.. all of these good people you knew who were so good who worked for big pharma? At what level of authority were/are they? At what level of authority were you and your immediate associates? I have never believed that the peons in these various companies were evil.. and I need to be better about addressing that fact when I post, but that does not take away from the fact that in general, these companies are greedy and do not have anything but their pockets books in mind when they formulate drugs and demonize alternatives that work.

Drug scientists are not evil people, gma, you're demonizing folks you haven't met yet. The real problem is drug PR, occasional bad scientists who take bribes the lack of oversight, and $#*@#$#@ doctors who can't be bothered to do their own research.

Well, at a certain level the scientists are evil. They have to be part of the problem or it wouldn't exist. .. but I imagine you are right about the little guys. There is way too much research out there that proves that most studies done by companies with vested interests are flawed for me to believe any different.

And as far as drs doing their own research.. on one hand I agree with you as I mentioned above, but on the other hand most are far too busy to have to do that. They should be able to trust the AMA, the AHA, and the FDA if not the drug companies.. But they are mostly corrupt.. except as I am going to admit, the little guys involved. The whole system is flawed and worries more about what they earn than saving lives.

A good example is how H202 has been bastardized in the last 40-50 years. It is effective on many many things that allopathic medicine doesn't do well on. But because big pharma cannot patent it.. drs and others have been made to believe it is bad and or ineffective. There is lots of evidence to the contrary and thank heaven, there are both MDs and alternative health drs who are still willing to treat with it.

Nutrition is much more important than drs recognize also.. and is still being taught wrong even though there are plenty of good studies showing what is still being taught is totally wrong for good health. But.. if that changed.. people might not use surgery for obesity, or statin drugs and surgery for heart issues.. and that of course would be a shame. :rolleyes:

[fruits&nuts]

Nice post countrygma.

There have been books written on cures that are not recognized by mainstream medicine. It's not hard to find these books.

And no, all mainstream doctors are not evil, but they are largely guilty of arrogance and playing follow the leader. If med school or the AMA is dismissive of treatment that is not mainstream, most drs just follow along with no attempt at independent thought.

[countrygma]

Nice post countrygma.

There have been books written on cures that are not recognized by mainstream medicine. It's not hard to find these books.

And no, all mainstream doctors are not evil, but they are largely guilty of arrogance and playing follow the leader. If med school or the AMA is dismissive of treatment that is not mainstream, most drs just follow along with no attempt at independent thought.

Thanks, F&N. And I agree with your comments.