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JereGettle
May 9th, 2005, 12:29 PM
SODA POP INDUSTRY MANAGES TO KILL OREGON JUNK-FOOD BAN LEGISLATION

BRAD CAIN, ASSOCIATED PRESS: When Sen. Vicki Walker watered down a bill to ban the sale of soda pop and other sugary snacks in Oregon schools, she said she wanted to protect local schools' ability to decide such matters.

Left unsaid, however, was the fact the Eugene Democrat and other lawmakers got campaign money last fall from a soda pop industry group that has lobbied against the junk food ban in the 2005 Legislature.

Walker and two other members of the Senate Education Committee that rewrote the bill each got $2,000 campaign contributions from the Oregon Soft Drink Association, which gave a total of $91,000 to lawmakers last fall. The other committee members who got $2,000 were Sen. Ryan Deckert, Dem.-Beaverton, and Sen. Jeff Kruse, Rep.-Roseburg.

Walker, who is considering running against Democratic Governor Ted Kulongoski next year, said the campaign money had nothing to do with her decision to delete the ban on pop and candy sales.

"That wasn't the issue at all," said Walker, who is chairwoman of the Senate education panel. "The issue involves all the foods we serve to children.

It's broader than just banning soda pop and vending machine candy in schools."

While the campaign contributions to Walker and the others are legal, a spokeswoman for a campaign watchdog group said the donations should raise eyebrows.

"With campaign contributions, the special interests are buying access to
lawmakers. Once they've got access, they can build a relationship. And I think that does influence how votes go," said Andi Miller of Common Cause Oregon.

A health care activist who pushed for the soda pop and junk food ban in schools said she thinks soft drink industry lobbyists were instrumental in persuading the senators to kill the ban.

"Who knows exactly what goes on behind the scenes, but we believe they played a significant role in this," said Mary Lou Hennrich, executive director of the Community Health Partnership.

Rob Douglas, a lobbyist for the Oregon Soft Drink Association, referred inquiries on the matter to Kathy Kaiser, area manager of the Coca-Cola Bottling Co. of Oregon.

A phone message to Kaiser wasn't immediately returned Friday, but in testimony before Walker's Senate Education Committee in March, Kaiser said the state "should not legislate eating habits."

"Parents and local schools should be the ones to determine what students should be eating," Kaiser said in her prepared testimony.

Advocates of a junk food ban said soda pop and other sugary snacks are a leading cause of childhood obesity and that soft drink industry representatives have been fighting bills around the country to limit their ability to market their products in schools.

Just this past week, in Connecticut, about a dozen industry lobbyists were sent to the Capitol in Hartford to try to scuttle a similar bill that's pending in that state's Legislature, according to one activist.

"The place was crawling with pro-soda pop people," said Lucy Nolan of End Hunger Connecticut, a group which has been trying to get junk food out of schools in favor of healthier foods.

A spokeswoman for a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group that's often been called the "food police" said it appears lawmakers in Oregon "did cave in to the soft drink manufacturers."

"They started out with a terrific bill, and they ended up with nothing," said Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the Public Interest.

Walker disgrees.

While the new version of the bill bans no foods or beverages, she said, it requires local schools to adopt a "wellness policy" that includes goals for nutrition education and physical activities.

"I just think this is a very thoughtful approach," the Eugene lawmaker said. "To me the question is, how are we going to get parents and children involved in the discussion of childhood obesity?"

Further, Walker said backers of the original bill "just wanted to ban something" and that doing so would have "accomplished nothing."

But a California health care advocate notes that Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has come out in favor of a bill to ban soft drinks in all public schools and that the soda pop industry "is the only major opposition to this bill."

"That should come as no surprise to anybody," said Harold Goldstein of the California Center for Public Health Advocacy. "They want to keep selling their products to our children in public schools while they are a captive audience."

Despite the apparent death of Oregon's ban on soda pop and other school snacks in the 2005 Legislature, backers of the effort aren't giving up. Hennrich, the Community Health Partnership representative, noted that it's taken years for legislatures in other states to overcome industry opposition to enact laws curtailing the marketing of those products.

"We have an epidemic of obesity going on," she said. "We need to have a statewide standard for what kids eat and drink in schools." [ May 7, 2005 ]

PhilosopherStorm
May 9th, 2005, 10:07 PM
There is a far worse ENDEMIC (not epidemic) going on.. that of the complete failure of government schools to educate. Ban government intereference in schools, and allow individuals to choose what they will consume.. Freedom is not a disease to fight against, but the solution to embrace.

This notion that one radical group ought to be able to force particular eating habits on indivdiuals, especially children, is of course completely against the notions of freedom and justice which were the basis of the great experiment (the union of states). Individuals make choices, some of them will not be good ones, but by denying responsibility or worse yet transferrring it to politicians or mindless bureaucrats we encourage the very ills of society that they pretend to be solving..

Freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, restrict one and you will restrict the other. Power corrupts, this is why we seek to limit the power granted to those who are already corrupted by the power they possess.. Leave the power with the individual.

Seth Daniel Willard
May 11th, 2005, 05:18 PM
I agree. Less control by the government please! Our country was founded on personal freedom, and it should be regulated to a point, but things seem to be getting out of hand.

Show the Oregon students (and the lawmakers) where the water fountain is.

faye53
May 12th, 2005, 07:14 AM
I agree with less government. I also know that children should not be allowed to make the decision of whether to have soft drink vending machines on campus. I feel like this is a decision the school board should make. They will not remove them unless parents get behind it and push for them to be removed. At my grandchildrens school,one of the drink machines is right next to the water fountains. Guess which one gets the most use! There is a high number of overweight children at this school. I want less government but does that mean we are supposed to sit back and let these lobbyist do whatever they want? People need to realize they need to get involved in order to change things.

PhilosopherStorm
May 12th, 2005, 07:35 AM
The solution with regard to your children choosing soft drinks of not is to flex your responsibility towards them. Rather than shift it off to school boards, or any other government agency, simply deny your children these products. As you say, parents must get behind the raising of their own children.

Do not let the lobbyists decide what will be in schools, decide what schools your children will be in. By appealing to government, in the form of school board, one lends more power to the government which is more effectively used by these lobbyists.

Get involved in the education of the children, as you say. But avoid getting involved in increasing the problem by using the very tactics and approachs of those causing what you believe to be a harm. Follow their path and you will arrive at the same end.

SunflowerMeg
July 28th, 2005, 11:20 AM
You're talking the worse of two evils...allowing Uncle Sam to decide the issues about soda pop machines in our schools, OR, allowing our children to decide for themselves.

Most kids are going to opt for the cokes and chocolate bars and soda pop as soon as they are out of our sight...just like I did when I was a kid. When our kids are going through the lunch line, are they going to choose the salad, or the french fries? Most will choose the french fries. I was, and am, a fairly healthy cook, but I can guarantee you my kids chose the junk food in the school line almost every single time, even though I didn't cook junk food. We can't depend on most younger children to make wise decisions...that's why there are ADULTS.

Given time, these children will grow up and PERHAPS make good food choices based on what they were taught in the home. Now, neither of my kids (ages 19 and 21) drink soda pop or eat fast food (except VERY minimally). They eat salads, wilted chard, spinach, organic meats, free-range eggs, and they drink lots of water, etc.

So, in the long run, I won! Why? Because they matured and I still cook healthy and encourage healthy. In the end, MY individuality (and hard work) won out and I didn't need any help from the politicians. BUT, what about the children whose mom's or dad's don't know what fresh foods are? Or how to cook them? Or have never had a piece of sprouted wheat bread or even a slice of plain ol' whole wheat bread in their house, ever? And where everything comes processed from a box or jar? Do we, as part of the people of the government, try to save them from themselves, or let them get lost in the world of obesity, and say to heck with it????? The best thing would be for parents to get a clue and to quit being so LAZY about their health and their children's health. You can't tell me that any parent on this planet doesn't know the difference between an apple and a french fry. Do you know how many times I watched while an obese mama let her small baby gum on a french fry while sitting in her loving lap? There are thousands and thousands and thousands of articles on the web and in magazines in any grocery store and book store, and in any library, that talks about wise and healthy food choices. And at least about 60% of our population IGNORES them.

It's very easy to verbally bash your government, but from what I can see, they are the only ones with the power to make these changes (if they'll consider doing it right), because the individual sure isn't! Just look at the obesity in this country. The people have spoken!!! 60% of them have decided to be overweight.

IMHO, the first thing Uncle Sam needs to do is get an accurate food pyramid, based on reality, not influence. Then we have to get Uncle Sam to disclose the truth behind so-called "healthy" food choices, instead of allowing horrible foods to be passed off as "good for you" when they are utterly devastating to your body (like polyunsaturated oils that are in everything)!

So, if you don't want Uncle Sam to get involved, then what? What's the less of the two evils? Like I said, the people have spoken. They are chosing obesity.

What'cha gonna do?

Mary

PhilosopherStorm
August 10th, 2005, 09:43 AM
Mary,

You could not be more mistaken with regard to government being the only option. As for the worse of two evils, mindlessness, irresponsibility, and the plethora of negative consequences of abandoning freedom in favor of government is infinitely worse than a child choosing to have a coke.

The choices we make as individuals are our own responsibility. The choices other individuals make are their responsibility. It does not matter that others make choices for themselves and only affecting themselves that you do not like, or that I do not like, neither of us has the authority or right to dictate how others will and should behave.

As I noted the solution is very simple with regard to children. Those parents who do not want their children to consume such things should cease neglecting their responsibility. Certainly this approach of insisting that the nanny state take care of their children for them is evil, irresponsible, and unjust as it requires any who choose otherwise, such as choosing to be responsible either by not having children else by actually parenting the children, to pay for the laziness and irresponsibility of those who do not wish to be inconvenienced by the consequences of having children, or with the burden of raising children.

Consider if we follow your suggested approach with regard to gardening, after all this is a gardening forum. This means that we as individuals are not to be allowed to decide what we will grow. Instead mindless bureaucrats should determine what is best for us, without any basis whatsoever. Would you accept this? If not then the argument form you offer is invalid (actually it is invalid regardless, but by acknowledging that this necessarily false conclusion using the same argument form you essentially acknowledge the invalidity of the form per se)

Just so there is no confusion here are just a few alternatives to the abandoning the responsibilities of parenting:

1. Choose to parent. Choose to raise your own childen to a different standard.
2. Pull your children out of environments which contain elements you do not wish for them to be exposed.
3. Attempt to change public opinion through persuasion rather than force.
4. Mitigate the effects of whatever it is that you perceive or believe to be negative.

etc ad infinitum....

For what it is worth, this doomsday proclamation that it is either the abandonment of responsibility else necessary obesity is at very best a false dichotomy. Clearly a great many alternatives exist, though certainly most require the parent/s to stand up and accept their chosen responsibilities, while refraining from using force against others.

PaulF
January 11th, 2006, 11:29 AM
I tire a bit on the opinion that schools must do everything to assure children progress in every aspect of life. Now it has become the school's responsibility to keep our kids thin; in the same breath most schools have been forced to do away with physical education (because that does not increase test scores) and even recess (more time is needed for classroom teaching). Limited resources are allocated to a system that is required to do more than educate. More time is spent satisfying federal and state paperwork mandates than actual teaching time. Some schools feel the need to place vending machines in school to capitalize on the fact that some parents hand the kid money and tell them to find something to eat or drink where ever they can find it.

Parents need to be involved with the health of their children. Stop using the school as a baby sitter. (teachers could double their salaries if parents were forced to pay a teacher baby sitting wages). Take away video games and tell the little tubs to go outside and play. Serve balanced, healthy meals at regularly scheduled times. Tell the little tubs to go outside and play. Satisfy the sweettooth ocassionally with treats and then tell the little tubs to go outside and play.

Fat, poorly fed kids is not a school problem, it's a PARENT PROBLEM. Some parts of our government feel they must be the watchdog and if parents are not doing the job well enough, they will do it for them. Public schools become the arm and then get the heat for carrying out the mandates (generally unfunded). Parents need to parent and schools teach. If parents want the vending machines out, they would be gone in a flash.

darwinslair
September 4th, 2009, 12:51 PM
Do special interests still wield too much power?

Tom

< laughing >

FAADAN
September 4th, 2009, 01:02 PM
I'm not sure how the soda machines got in the schools in the first place. I assume the school boards approve them because they were making money from them. When I went to school, we had two choices for drinks, water or milk. I'm not a big proponent of junk food but I am even a bigger opponent of bigger government. If you can't control your own children, why would you expect the government to do it for you? I am so tired of government controlling every aspect of our lives that I could spit.

darwinslair
September 4th, 2009, 01:10 PM
I am so tired of government controlling every aspect of our lives that I could spit.

and would if not for Reagan's anti-spitting laws.

<wink>

Tom

uprooted_kentuckian
September 4th, 2009, 01:15 PM
I prefer local school boards to run their schools.

Cliff Timmons
September 4th, 2009, 01:24 PM
Wait, kids can't be trusted to chose what they drink, but they should be passing out birth control?

<GRIN>
Whatta world.

gardener5
September 4th, 2009, 01:41 PM
I prefer local school boards to run their schools.

My thoughts exactly, let each school decide what to do.

darwinslair
September 4th, 2009, 02:17 PM
Wait, kids can't be trusted to chose what they drink, but they should be passing out birth control?

<GRIN>
Whatta world.

Actually, would not the equivalent of birth control be cups then?

<wink> think students already have the "soda pop" in that comparison.

Tom

Cliff Timmons
September 4th, 2009, 02:32 PM
Ugggggggghhhhhhhhhh
<GRIN>

darwinslair
September 4th, 2009, 04:19 PM
Ugggggggghhhhhhhhhh
<GRIN>

<laughing>

So, are you agreeing with me?

silverseeds
September 4th, 2009, 04:21 PM
I see no reason to let kids eat junk food in school.

Cliff Timmons
September 4th, 2009, 10:30 PM
<laughing>

So, are you agreeing with me?

I dunno. <GRIN>

Direct Sunlight
September 5th, 2009, 02:16 AM
How about selling diet sodas sweetened with one of the "good" sweeteners (etherol, stelia, olyfractose, probably butchering the spelling)? You can always change sodas whenever the next new study on sweeteners comes out. Alternatively, I'm a cross country coach so say it's all good if they are willing to join me after school and run 3-4 miles to burn all that sugar off. ;)