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Cliff Timmons
April 26th, 2007, 12:41 PM
Global warming debate 'irrational': scientists

Stephanie Stein / Standard-Freeholder
Local News - Thursday, April 26, 2007 @ 10:00

The current debate about global warming is "completely irrational," and people need to start taking a different approach, say two Ottawa scientists.

Carleton University science professor Tim Patterson said global warming will not bring about the downfall of life on the planet.

Patterson said much of the up-to-date research indicates that "changes in the brightness of the sun" are almost certainly the primary cause of the warming trend since the end of the "Little Ice Age" in the late 19th century. Human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the gas of concern in most plans to curb climate change, appear to have little effect on global climate, he said.

"I think the proof in the pudding, based on what (media and governments) are saying, (is) we're about three quarters of the way (to disaster) with the doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere," said Patterson. "The world should be heating up like crazy by now, and it's not. The temperatures match very closely with the solar cycles."

Patterson explained CO2 is not a pollutant, but an essential plant food.


Billions of taxpayers' dollars are spent to control the emissions of this benign gas, in the mistaken belief that they can stop climate change, he said.

"The only constant about climate is change," said Patterson.

Patterson said money could be better spent on places like Africa.

"All the money wasted on Kyoto in a year could provide clean drinking water for Africa," said Patterson. "We're into a new era of science with the discussion of solar forces. Eventually, Kyoto is going to fall by the wayside. In the meantime, I'm worried we're going to spend millions that could have been spent on something better like air pollution."

Tom Harris, executive director of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project - an organization that attempts to debunk some of the popular beliefs about climate change - supported Patterson's findings.

Global warming assertions are based on inconclusive evidence put forth in science reports that had not been published yet, he said.

"The media takes (inconclusive) information that only suggests there could be a climate problem and turns it into an environmental catastrophe," said Harris.

"They continually say we only have 10 years left, and they've been saying it for 20 years, and it's ridiculous," he said. "The only reason I got involved in talking to media is that I think our resources are being mismanaged.

"Go after something real and tangible like air pollution."

After hearing a second scientist say climate change is part of a natural cycle, Elaine Kennedy - a local environmental activist - is interested in investigating the issue further.

She looks forward to examining scientific reports that will be published in a couple of months by the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

"The problem may not be climate change, but the problem is still pollution," said Kennedy.

She's not alone in her assertion global warming is a pollution problem.

David Phillips, a senior government environment expert, believes there is more than one contributing factor to global warming. There's a human element, as well as natural cycles.

Difficult to convince

"I'm a man that's difficult to convince," he said. "What convinces me is the large body of evidence, and highly reputable people promoting global warming, who are not lobbyists, but only seeking truth in science. They say the the earth is warming up faster and greater now than in the past."

People who are contradicting the global warming reality, Phillip thinks, have their own motives for doing so.

"These skeptics are keeping the debate alive (for their own interests). They try to confuse people into inaction," said Phillips.

Phillips believes global warming is solvable.

"We solved the ozone and acid rain problem. With effort, and a new way of doing things we could solve this one too," said Phillips.

prouddaddy
April 26th, 2007, 03:02 PM
The average temp. went up a big 1 degree in the years 1900 -2000. Over .5 degree increase took place between 1900 and 1950. Go figure. I guess that was before we were lining Gores' pockets buying carbon offsets.

Walt Gee 082543
April 27th, 2007, 12:54 PM
The average temp. went up a big 1 degree in the years 1900 -2000. Over .5 degree increase took place between 1900 and 1950. Go figure. I guess that was before we were lining Gores' pockets buying carbon offsets.

Right on Prouddaddy! I've looked at the purported evidence and the real facts. If these Chicken Littles are to be believed they'll have to come up with something beside hysterical conclusions based on faulty science for profit gurus who have the UN Agenda 21 as their primary goal: w:eek: hich is to deprive us of our land, our homes, and our gardens in order to bring forth the one world government that will outlaw ownership of private property. These are the same people who are touting GMO products as the only viable alternative. THE SAME PEOPLE !

whodat
April 27th, 2007, 07:11 PM
Man! We go and solve the world's problems and they just keep popping back up again.

I reckon that the only thing we really have to worry about is not being able to change when the situation changes. That inability to adapt to new circumstances is what causes a species to go bottoms up when these "natural occurances" come around. Like that coral that is dying all around the world. Since we are versatile enough to change.... we have nothing to worry about. We here in Georgia are changing to a bigger coal burning power plant since we need more power...again. Seriously. The Germans are putting solar panels all along the autobahn. I don't know if that is change for them, but I don't recall seeing them when I was there in the late '70s.
I guess these two scientists must know. If global warming ever really does happen, I wonder how we will change then.

Walt Gee 082543
April 28th, 2007, 07:18 AM
I agree with you. I am all for solar, wind, hydroelectric, and nuclear power. Unfortunately, no one in Congress seems to feel the energy crisis coming at us is sufficiently important enough to really do something about it. Coal is a good source of energy if it is managed properly. Which in a lot of cases today it isn't, because they don't want to spend the money it will take to do it. Biodiesel and ethanol are good but gobbling up all of the corn we produce and running the price up to astronomical levels is terrible on the Latin Americans south of the border who eat it every day, as well as us. Overall, we could be producing, I think I recall, something around five times the energy we now produce in this country, and reduce our oil consumption by at least twenty per cent. We can do it! But the truth is that our priorities are all screwed up.

I'm not an anti-enviro. Quite the opposite, but in some cases I believe we must be a little pragmatic about this issue. The huge problem that I see is that the radicals want to return us to the stone age economy. I recommend that everyone do a MSN search on AGENDA 21.:eek: It makes for very interesting reading. BTW I do recall that Sen. Gore is a major supporter of Agenda 21.

Neither am I anti-conservation of our resources. I am all for that. But the if the radicals have their way we will be eating beans and rice everyday in a government relocation center. That I am strongly opposed to. :mad: