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wildseed2u
May 11th, 2005, 05:14 PM
I am a strong believer in adding large amounts of compost and mulch to the garden, but where do you get large amounts at that you know are not full of weed seeds or other unwanted material. One of the best ways is to grow your own material, but what types of plants make good compost or mulch. There are many plants that you can chose from Amaranth and Quinoa are two good plants that grow fast and produce a lot of plant fiber. One very good thing about Amaranth and Quinoa is that they both produce large amounts of tasty leaves that can be eaten raw in salads or cooked as a green vegetable like spinach, and at the end of their season they produce seeds that are very high in protein are gluten free. these grains can be cooked like cereal, popped like pop corn toasted and added to soups or ground and used like flower.
Some other plants that are very usefull, although hard to find at times are Hibiscus Cannabinus, Hibiscus sabdariffa and Abelmoschus manihot all three belong to the same family as Okra, Cotton and Hibiscus. Hibiscus cannabinus is used mainly in the paper pulp industry as it has a large amount of fine plant fiber and grows very fast. The leaves can be cooked and eaten as a cooked green simular to Sorrel the same goes for Hibiscus sabdariffa and too the flowers and calyxes are used to make a nice flavored Tea or used to make a citrus flavored jelly. Abelmoschus manihot is a very close cousin to Okra and besides producing small okra like pods the Leaves are cooked and eaten like spinach or added to soups. The Seeds from these plants can be roasted and used as a Coffee Sub. The stocks from Okra can also be used as a good compost material. Millet or Sorghum are very usefull and make good compost all of these plants and more can be grown as very attractive Border plants that can be chopped and added to the garden. you can use a compost or Manure Tea and spray over the chopped plant material to help them break down. this year I will be growing and using many of these plants to produce food and to add as plant fiber for compost. Also don't forget about your yard , lawn clippings and other plant waste, Old straw and Hay bales will quickly compost and add a lot of very good mulch or compost that can be added to the garden soil. One more thing you don't need to have a compost pile to turn your plant material into compost just chop it up some and put on your garden and Mother nature will take care of the rest. you can also plant various cover crops and inter plant your crops to conserve on water use and to act as a living mulch and Green Manure. The whole Idea is to try and get a way from having to till your soil all the time as this not only disturbs the plant roots, but kills your earthworms and allows pest and Viruses to get a foot hold in your garden and when it rains it washes out all the nutrients that the soil needs.
George W. Zone 5 Missouri

Seth Daniel Willard
May 11th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Interesting. Thanks for the information. Will have to try that...

PhilosopherStorm
May 11th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Any advice on growing quinoa, or suggestions for suppliers?

lovetogarden
May 12th, 2005, 04:03 AM
http://www.bountifulgardens.org/shop/grains-seed.html

You can buy your quinoa here.

Also, to answer the first question asked, I get large quantities of mulch every year by stopping whenever I see a tree cutting service along the road. Most are more than happy to deliver free mulch at the end of the day instead of trying to find a place to dump the materials off their truck.
Its a blessing. I ususally obtain enough to not only mulch my flower gardens and in between my raised beds, but also have plenty for my compost and to share.

PhilosopherStorm
May 12th, 2005, 07:29 AM
Lovetogarden,

Thanks for the link. One caution about tree trimming service supplied mulch, often they are trimming back diseases trees, so you have to be wary of the product. That said, I too have used it, though only for foundation plants, trees, and other non-vegetable areas. The other downside, at least from my own experience, is that because there is a good deal of heartwood in the mix it can take years for it to break down.

wildseed2u
May 12th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Baker's Creek sells Quinoa and Amaranth, Both are great boarder plants and provide a abundance of plant material for composting and make a great substitute for spinach. The grains are very good and are quite high in protein and the plants can be used as high quality animal feed. Because the plant stocks are light and fiberous they break down fast and don't need added nitrgen to help in breaking down like hardwood.
George W.

A.T.Hagan
May 13th, 2005, 08:41 AM
I grow my own mulch materials too. I use pine and oak trees and my lawn to produce the mulch. Mow it, rake it, spread it.

.....Alan.

Doc
July 20th, 2005, 02:49 PM
Has any one tried growing Cardoon for eating and composting?

ladybug
July 20th, 2005, 05:07 PM
thankyou for all the information, everyone.this is great....you may want to try square-foot gardening to reduce tilling and disturbing the soil and worms if you have a moderate size area to garden. :)

ceresone
September 15th, 2005, 08:04 AM
Amaranth--does it reseed? in short, does it make a pest of itself,?does it make good chicken feed?i've thought of planting it for several reasons, but i didnt want to create a pest in my garden.and, i didnt realize norwood was zone 5--am i wrong in saying i'm zone 6?

wildseed2u
September 15th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Hi ceresone, Amaranth will die out in the winter, but any seeds that are viable during the season can sprout new plants, this is my first year using them, so I don't know if the seeds will over winter, they are very smalled and might not make it through the winter unless they get coved with plant material. I have mine planted so that should they come back in any number they won't become a problem. Rats, mice and birds could possibly move them around some, but over all the plants are nice to look at and seed heads can be feed to live stock if not used for human food. I founfd that the thick stock of some varieties has a thik pithy center that might also be edible. I am growing Quinoa and various edible Hibiscus for use as food and mulch. most of them if not all will not overwinter athough both amaranth and quinoa have weedy cousins that could make them into a weed problem with in a short time if not watched.
George W. Zone 5 Missouri

GreenZone
September 16th, 2005, 08:59 AM
Amaranth will reseed abundantly. The young seedlings aren't really difficult to deal with though. But the plants do get very large so a person'd want to rogue-out unwanted seedlings pretty early. Also remember that amaranth crosses pretty easily, and that pigweed is an amaranth. If you want a strain to stay good generation after generation, you'd have to really watch it on potential crossing.
-Randel

lovetogarden
September 16th, 2005, 09:04 AM
Yes,amaranth does reseed easily, but it is also easy to pull it out. I like the fact that it reseeds easily. I plant it in the back of my flower garden. It comes back
every year and where I do not want it, its pulled. It sure beats planting the seeds myself.

drobinson
October 14th, 2005, 07:53 PM
Ceresone, I got some amaranth plants from my son four years ago to grow as an ornamental. Well, it did grow, and grow, and grow, and three plants reseeded an area of about 20 by 20 feet, which was covered with seedlings, even before frost. Each spring it comes on abundantly and I have to till, pull and otherwise cut it back. Even so, I don't want to completely eradicate it. It is attractive, and I suppose good for greens, and grows about 5 ft. tall with large redpurple plumes of seed heads on top. I guess the birds like the seeds - which are tiny and very abundant. Plus, you don't have to bother replanting it each year.

Bear
January 11th, 2006, 10:31 PM
Ceresone- I grew Hopi Red Dye Amaranth, and yes, it reseeded moderately, but it didn't make a pest out of itself. The leaves are edible- taste like tender spinach- and since I planted a red variety, it was very easy to spot so that the seedlings could be thinned and eaten. It's a very beautiful plant, too.

I harvested some of the grain to use in cooked cereal, and left some in the garden for the birds. Probably if I hadn't left some for the birds, I would have had fewer volunteer plants.

TennOC
January 26th, 2006, 12:01 PM
Management is the key to growing mulch from seed-bearing plants. Just like grass, they all have a certain time they need to make those seeds, so cut it back or till it in before that happens. Some crops you can "cut-and-come-again", getting several crops in one year.

40lb farmer
February 26th, 2006, 11:39 AM
if you can grow chick weed it makes great compost. also there's a vegetable that is marketed as feed for chickens that composts with chickweed rather nicely.

stonysoil
March 8th, 2006, 08:00 AM
hi wildseed i find o have good results with buckwheat as a greeen manure crop.. it looks good in my garden and am told it brings alot of phosphorous upward from the subsoil.. i have shallow soils here in hilly centrasl upstate ny.. and ive found it has built my soils up.. also when it flowers it brings tonns of honey bees to my garden