Article on Kids Allergies: Let me know your thoughts...

[babygarden]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/dining/09alle.html?ex=1200546000&en=c51a04caf0ab671c&ei=5070&emc=eta1

Thought I would put this out there for everyone to comment on.
My husband forwarded to me and wanted to get your take on it.
Goes along with a lot that is discussed on here.
Our daughter has suffered from asthma and I have long been convinced that genetically engineered foods and environmental factors are a big contributor, especially after joining this site.

Let me know your thoughts on this article and Ms. O'Brien's fight.
Apparently she has the support of Erin Brockovich as well.
Thanks all!

[Eric]

Some of the advice there is a bit irresponsible, the biggest is about organic. The government controls that label now, so its going to be garbage too, its only a matter of time. Also the "if you can't pronouce it" advice will more negatively affect those with poor grammar skills.

[countrygma]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/dining/09alle.html?ex=1200546000&en=c51a04caf0ab671c&ei=5070&emc=eta1

Thought I would put this out there for everyone to comment on.
My husband forwarded to me and wanted to get your take on it.
Goes along with a lot that is discussed on here.
Our daughter has suffered from asthma and I have long been convinced that genetically engineered foods and environmental factors are a big contributor, especially after joining this site.

Let me know your thoughts on this article and Ms. O'Brien's fight.
Apparently she has the support of Erin Brockovich as well.
Thanks all!



Hi BabyGarden,

A very important subject that everyone needs to become educated on..and one of the biggest outrages in this country, IMO.

I agree, with Ms. O'Brien, that GMO foods and environmental factors are a factor in allergies, and in your daughter's asthma, but IMO, and that of every alternative therapy doctor and practitioner out there with any knowledge, as well as many people like myself who are becoming educated on the subject, those two factors are only the tip of the iceberg.

We have to go back to the late 1800's and early 1900s to get a grasp on what has happened regarding health and chronic illnesses. In those days, the leading causes of death were trauma and infectious disease, and those have been replaced by chronic conditions like cancer, heart disease, and HIV. Why?.. what has brought about those changes, and just as important..why do not more people question the allopathic model of disease prevention and control since it is so obvious that things have gotten worse, and continue to worsen, rather than getting better?

The entire answer, which is actually very simple, is explained in the book, The History of A Crime Against the Food Law by Harvey W. Wiley, M.D. I have mentioned this book and Dr. Wiley here before, and I wonder how many people have now read it?

Dr. Wiley was the first head of the FDA, and resigned in defeat because he could not keep the people from the corp. who had infiltrated the govt (for the sake of the corp. not the people), from defeating all laws that would have cleaned up our food and drug supply and kept it safe.

Back to the present.. Currently, 1 our of 3 children have allergies. This is shocking!! As mentioned in a link from the article by Ms. O'Brien, conventional medicine gives "genetics" and environmental factors as the reasons for allergies, and say that those who have allergies have an "over sensitive immune system". Hm... ok.. but why? This is seldom if ever addressed by allopathic medicine, nor our wonderful FDA.

So let's examine that a little bit.. One place in the links provided by Ms O'Brien is a statement that says, "30-40 % inherit a genetic predisposition...and they don't think anyoneknows what tips people over"

Wikipedia says, "A genetic predisposition is a genetic effect which influences the phenotype of an organism but which can be modified by the environmental conditions. Genetic testing is able to identify individuals who are genetically predisposed to certain health problems." I was surprised to learn as I read this page, that some health insurance companies use this labeling, to prevent people from health insurance coverage.

Where does a genetic disposition come from? Jim Zamzow, a brilliant nutritionist and agricultural chemist in Idaho, doesn't necessarily agree with "genetic disposition" but calls them miasmas, referring to the homeopathic definition as stated by, Hahnemann, Father of Homeopathy. http://www.hpathy.com/philosophy/dsouza-miasm.asp

Because knowledge was more limited in Hahnemann's day, it is not surprising that modern day homeopathists would have expanded on Hahnemann's explaination about miasmas. One of Zamzow's explanations is nutrition of our ancestors.

For example, I was surprised to learn that the egg for the child you carry, was created in utero in your mother.. ie.. when she was in *her* mother's womb. So.. the diet of the grandmother has a profound effect on her grandchild. So... if grandma eats a less than nutritional diet following what her mom and her mom ate.. she is causing granddaughter to have the same health problems... and these would be miasmas rather than genetic issues. They can be changed by changing the way we eat.. and making sure a healthy diet continues down into later generations.

So.. if genetically gma had hay fever, or allergies to certain plants because she didn't get enough vitamin C. she would have an affect on what the grandkid has.

#2. the other statement was.. "they don't think anyone know what tips people over..." (into the chronic disease state)..

Here again.. allopathics might not know but alternative drs realize it is to toxicity of the organs, the main issue being the liver. When someone dies of liver disease, it is because their liver has become so clogged up with toxins of various kinds, that it can no longer filter poisons from the body, and so the body develops "allergies".

There are very effective treatments to remove toxins from the liver, thus ridding the person of their allergies.

This has gotten way longer than I intended, so I will cut it off here. :p:)

[bunkie]

fascinating countrygma! keep posting!:O)

i had asthma as a kid and so did my brother. i started smoking end of high school cause it helped relax the asthma fits. now i don't have asthma anymore, and i quit smoking 6 plus years ago! my brother had asthma also, and never smoked, and still has it today.

[countrygma]

fascinating countrygma! keep posting!:O)

i had asthma as a kid and so did my brother. i started smoking end of high school cause it helped relax the asthma fits. now i don't have asthma anymore, and i quit smoking 6 plus years ago! my brother had asthma also, and never smoked, and still has it today.

Well, if you insist. :D You know how I hate expounding on these subjects, ;), but I'll force myself. :p

I believe, unless someone is allergic to smoke due to a toxic liver, that smoking causes no more problems than many other inhalants or foods that are toxic. You show that quite well, as do many others who smoke all of their lives with no issues caused by it and die of "old age".. well into their 90s.

Can you think of anything else that attributed to your "outgrowing" asthma? Improved eating habits? etc.. vs your brother? I bought a book some time ago that talks of the health benefits of smoking, but have not read it yet I'll have to look and see if it discusses asthma. ( I too quit smoking about 6 years ago, BTW.)

When I wrote that long treatise this morning, I was headed in a definite direction to address Baby Gardens question, but hubby kept interrupting me and I kind of got off track.. so will take the opportunity of your encouragement to get back on track.

She specially mentioned GMO and environmental factors.

I strongly believe GMO food is partially responsible for both chronic illness and even perhaps some birth defects. I am not an expert on what exactly is changed in the DNA of a seed to produce genetically modified food, but I do know, some if not all the time it includes leaving out certain minerals... thus that mineral is no longer present in the finished produce. Minerals were put into our foods by our dear lord, or through evolution, as the case may be based on a person's beliefs, for a reason..

According to Mr. Zamzow, who I mentioned in an earlier post, specific minerals are necessary at each stage of the development of an embryo for development of specific organs or body parts. An example he gave, was a specific mineral (I can't remember which one) in the third month of development that was necessary for the mouth to develop properly, and without that mineral.. cleft palates were caused.

So. ...when minerals are left out of foods, if enough of those foods are eaten to cause deficiencies in various minerals.. it affects the development of fetuses... as well as the general health of us as individuals.

Personally, I think asthma is caused by a couple of things either together or individually. I have studied breathing issues extensively due to having personal breathing issues. One theory I have studied was developed by a Dr. Buteyko from Russia and is recognized in most developed countries throughout the world, including England and Australia, except of course the USA. His theory is.. asthma is actually a syndrome called Chronic Hyperventilation Syndrome, and despite what we are told by our allopathic medical community, can be cured by changing our breathing patterns. http://www.buteyko.com/

I won't go into Buteyko in any detail here as anyone interested can use the link above and go learn about it.

The other reason for asthma IMO, is due to toxins in the food and other environment (ie vaccinations) of those who have it. (I better not start on vaccinations today..that is a whole other rant)

My son had asthma.. I always wondered why...my girls had few health problems. My son still has lots of allergies also. In the last 20 years, as I have studied nutrition, I realize the reason he has allergies and had asthma was due to being on a soy milk formula as an infant. Read, The Whole Soy Story by Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD., CCN. Mary Enig, PhD. A reputed lipid chemist has a great deal to say about soy and it's negative effects on us also.

If you examine processed food, it is full of chemical toxins, from canola oil to msg. I can't really agree with Eric and his statement about only people with poor grammar was it? not being able to pronounce words, in argument to the statement if you can't say it .. it should not be in a food product. I have pretty decent grammar and there are way too many words on food labels I cannot pronounce.

We are being killed by varying degrees by our foods and drinks and most are too lazy, stupid, complacent, capitalistic, the list could go on and on...take your pick.. to learn what is good for them and what is killing them.:mad: Enough for now!

[Jeana]

Very insightful in many respects escept for this: "There are very effective treatments to remove toxins from the liver, thus ridding the person of their allergies."

Allergies don't have anything do with the liver or toxins. Allergies are an overactive immune system, one that overreacts to what the systems consider to be "foreign." Anaphylaxis is an acute multi-system reaction to certain chemicals.

How many kids had allergies when we were growing up? I didn't know any. Certainly no one with asthma. It's certainly environment and probably diet, but it's probably several things all at once that causes some people's immune system to overload and flip out and attack its own body.

[HOD]

Don't have the answer, but I know that in an overloaded closed salt water aqaurium reef tank setup, where evaporation is compensated for with RO water, and minerals used in coral growth is replaced, toxins can build up unless there is a removal mechanism via partial water changes and/or algea trimming. Coral growth is poor, blue-green algea (cyanobacteria) and hair algea is a problem, fish are subject to disease, etc. A maintenance nightmare.

With a non overloaded system, only replacement water is needed, plus mineral additions to replace that used by coral growth. Good coral growth and division, fish are healthy, tank is sparkling clean, and biggest problem is staying ahead of the coraline growth on the glass.

I imagine the human body is similar in many respects ( blood plasma being close to sea water ) and an overloaded system will have all kinds of disease and problems, whereas a well balanced system is a delight.

With the over-consuption of sugars, esp. corn based sweetners, processed foods, no sunlight, fresh air, etc... The body has become a cesspool and it is showing. All over the last 50 years or so, with a fast progression in the last 20, imo.

Kids today are sick. And it is all about bad diet and no play outside... Too many video games and tv butt sitting time. Just my opine, fwiw...

BTW.. pop is a "treat" here. Only occasional use. The most frequent sweetner here is honey or raw sugar. Lots of outside time, and physical chores and play. NO video games here. Not much tv time. Kids are all very healthy, trim, and athletic. No alergies that we know of. Food is more plain and basic, mostly cooked from scratch.

Hod

[uprooted_kentuckian]

Good post HOD, and I think you are right about corn sweeteners. I've tried cutting them out of our diet but its hard to buy anything except raw products, that don't have it. It seems to cause a whole host of problems.

[babygarden]

Thank you Countrygma, very informative and will look into this further and check out the links you mentioned. I am also interested in checking out the book, The History of A Crime Against the Food Law by Harvey W. Wiley, M.D.

HOD, I agree with you 100% - that is why I was very very careful about what went into my body before, during and after my pregnancy (for her as well as my own health, had gestational diabetes and even my doctor had me on an extremely strict diet), and have always kept our daughter's diet rich in a variety of healthy foods - we used to try to "eat a rainbow" every day together.
She gets plenty of exercise, not much tv time (none at all when I was home with her, we disconnected the cable and spent our time in our garden or at the park, etc.).
I nursed her until she was nearly 2 years old (not exclusively, mind you, but because of the health benefits). We are very strict vegetarians. She is very active and in preschool now too full-time and our evenings are busy cooking and cleaning and winding down.
She is only 26 months old, so I just don't get it.
Where did we go wrong?
Money was tight so we did not buy everything organic. Only the most important things that I could afford got organic brands, and only last year did I get to start gardening again - and not much space as we are in an apartment. Hubby smokes, but not in the house, and when he sleeps in the same room he not only removes the clothes but showers as per the doctors orders, so as not to irritate her lungs.
When we were in India she did quite well, except a few incidents in the city, but she seemed much better and since then she has improved still, doesn't need as much medicine and for some time was off it completely.
Only one real episode over the holidays because she got a URI and went into respiratory distress suddenly - it hit her out of nowhere, but she's fine now again.
She has no allergies and is a VERY healthy eater - in fact, if you give her a choice between kalamata olves or cookies, she will usually gravitate towards the olives, or better still - TOMATOES.
I don't buy junk so she doesn't get it. the most "junkie" food she eats is pizza, except the occasional sweets which I make myself with good healthy ingredients.
Yet still she suffers from asthma and RAD.

So although I agree completely that in many cases that is the cause of children's illness, I cannot say it is so in this case - I have not allowed her to be a couch potato or eat badly, and I was extremely careful while carrying her and breastfeeding, so there has to be another factor at work here. Anymore ideas?

I want more than anything in this world to buy a house with a big patch of land and be self-sustaining as much as possible, eating only what we grow ourselves or is purchased from an organic source. Will be posting another question elsewhere about ideas to start on this in the meantime.
Thanks again for all your comments and info. Please do share anymore thoughts you have on this issue as and when something hits you, as this is something that I truly want to find answers on!

[manonash]

I don't know about asthma and have no experience with it, but i believe that food allergies can many times be caused by a leaky gut. Most physicians will laugh at that, but I'm convinced. Leaky guts are usually caused by poor diet, especially one rich in processed carbs. I have gut problems and food sensitivities (not necessarily allergies), that are greatly helped by following the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (Breaking the Vicious Cycle, by Elaine Gottschall). It's kinda hard to explain in short, but basically, with overconsumption of sugar and carbs can cause an overgrowth of bacteria in the small intestine, which is supposed to be basically sterile (the colon's where the bacteria go). This irritates the lining of the small intestine causing an inflammatory response. When this inflammatory response goes on too long, the lining of the small intestine becomes more permiable to larger molecules like proteins. When the immune system sees these and says they don't belong, you can start to have immune reactions to these. The basics behind the diet are that the simpler the carb, the higher up in the digestive tract they are digested and absorbed, thus starving the overgrowth in the smaller intestine and bringing balance back to the intestinal flora. Complex carbs take too long to digest in these cases and just feed the bacteria instead of the person.

Sorry if that's a little off topic, but I agree that many allergies are environmental that way, including food allergies.

Now I wonder about cases like my DH. He doesn't have many allergies, but all but one are to insect stings, and he's highly allergic to those (bees, vespids, and fire ants). He took allergy shots for years, but never would seroconvert for the fire ants, so just has to be really careful and carry an epipen.

[PAXLSI]

So far you have gotten a lot of advice. I suggest myself that you research it. I have done plenty of research in these areas. I agree with your husband and the woman in the article. Asthma itself has gone up 232% in the last 40 years. Other diseases such as cancer and diabetes have risen to horrible proportions. I am a Sales Coordinator with Juice Plus. I get my health education from many different Dr.'s, Nutritionits and Pharmicists. They all agree that we are eating way too many processed foods. Our bodies do not know what to do with them. It then weakens our immune system and damages our cells. This resulting in disease. We should eat as many RAW and ORGANIC foods as possible as well as WHOLE GRAINS. Do not eat anything that has hydrogentated oil, high fructose cornsyrup, or colors with numbers. Unfortunately those three things are in most cereals so we are limited on what we can buy for breakfast cereal. The other thing to stay away from is anything with Nitrates cause that causes cancer. My Science Teacher told me about the Nitrates when I was in high school and I didn't believe him (I loved hot dogs and they have tons of Nitrates in them). Now I know I should have listened to him better. You can learn more about your child's health at the Dr. Sears Website AskDrSears.com. He writes articles for Parents magazine, has written over 30 books and is one of the leading Pediatrician advocates for childrens' health. You can check out more on nutrition as well on my website wich is www.juiceplus.com/+aa95476. I give you kudos for asking questions and being concerned about your family's health.

[FarmerCathy]

Great thread! I also have breastfed from day one and haven't stopped yet. He does seem to have some allergies. We all have had stuffed up noses here and there this week after last weeks big storm and we do live in the city. Last winter from Christmas through Feb. my son was sick with the flu or cold during that time. So, far we have only been sick twice, which is a lot better. I think it may have been a lot to do with where we were living last year. We lived very rurally, but everybody burned there brush all winter long.

Some of the advice there is a bit irresponsible, the biggest is about organic. The government controls that label now, so its going to be garbage too, its only a matter of time.

I do agree with the organic label Eric. Organic only means 70% of the ingredients are organic. If it says 100% Organic then it is what it is. Otherwise we are still eating a little bit of unorganic ingredients.

[PAXLSI]

I do agree with the organic label. We try to eat as much home grown as we can. After that we rely on the organic label because some organic is better than none at all. Try to eat as much fruits and veggies as well as whole grains as you can, all as organic as you can. I urge you to go to www.askdrsears.com. He has alot of stuff on his website that will help you.

[babygarden]

Thanks to all of you.

PAXLSI, I will check out Dr. Sears, have seen some of his QandAs before in magazines and like to hear what he has to say.

FarmerCathy, yes definitely the city has something to do with a lot of our problems, the pollution in the air is far too much - at least I believe so.
So happy that you also nursed your kids for long time, many people don't these days and it is a shame.
It really does help them, and I definitely believe there is a big difference in my daughter v. kids not breastfed. Good for you!

[stepka]

with overconsumption of sugar and carbs can cause an overgrowth of bacteria in the small intestine, which is supposed to be basically sterile (the colon's where the bacteria go). Sterile? No way--you have a lot of bacteria in your colon, even when you're perfectly healthy--most of it should be "good" bacteria.

The way I look at this article is that, even if she doesn't "prove" much by what she says, she points you in a direction you may not have thought of when you're looking for answers. For example, I had seizures for 10 years beginning in 1983. Then I got pregnant with my daughter and cleaned up my diet, including removing diet soda. Voila! They quit and never came back. Then I read some stuff on the net by Betty Martini about the aspartame/seizure connection, and even though she came off as a foaming-at-the-mouth kind of activist, I started thinking that 1983 was the year they started putting aspartame in the food. I took the hint and never went back to diet soda. No doctor ever mentioned the connection, but I don't really need proof to keep me from consuming aspartame. It's outta this home forever.

Other than that, I've never had food allergies, but plenty of the resp. kind. The country was worse than the city, b/c farmers were always burning off their fields and spraying chemicals on them. On the other hand, we had nice clean well water. 6 a one, half dozen of the other, IMO. I breastfed each of my girls for at least a year and they never had allergies. Also I read that you should not feed solid food until at least 4 months and then it should be something like rice cereal. This is supposed to help, but since I only have a sample size of 2, I can't say.

[FarmerCathy]

The way I look at this article is that, even if she doesn't "prove" much by what she says, she points you in a direction you may not have thought of when you're looking for answers. For example, I had seizures for 10 years beginning in 1983. Then I got pregnant with my daughter and cleaned up my diet, including removing diet soda. Voila! They quit and never came back. Then I read some stuff on the net by Betty Martini about the aspartame/seizure connection, and even though she came off as a foaming-at-the-mouth kind of activist, I started thinking that 1983 was the year they started putting aspartame in the food. I took the hint and never went back to diet soda. No doctor ever mentioned the connection, but I don't really need proof to keep me from consuming aspartame. It's outta this home forever.

Other than that, I've never had food allergies, but plenty of the resp. kind. The country was worse than the city, b/c farmers were always burning off their fields and spraying chemicals on them. On the other hand, we had nice clean well water. 6 a one, half dozen of the other, IMO. I breastfed each of my girls for at least a year and they never had allergies. Also I read that you should not feed solid food until at least 4 months and then it should be something like rice cereal. This is supposed to help, but since I only have a sample size of 2, I can't say.

Wow, that's crazy about the aspartme. I watched that Dr. Know program about a year ago and they did testing on aspartme. A viewer wanted to know if aspartme had formaldehyde in it. It doesn't, but when they mixed it with stomach acids it turned into formaldehyde. Scary stuff!

Actually it is now recommended to wait until 6 months to give any solids to a baby. Even water before 6 months because babies under 6 months don't know when to stop drinking it. They could easily get an overdose or whatever it is called. It is recommended by the Pediatric Assoc. to breastfeed for 1 yr., The World Health Org. recommends 2 yrs. and La Leche League recommends as long as the breastfeeding relationship is mutual. To say 2.5 to 7 yrs is typical around the world. That is so great you breastfed for a year. Most of western culture mothers don't make it past 3 months. Go mamas!

[manonash]

Sterile? No way--you have a lot of bacteria in your colon, even when you're perfectly healthy--most of it should be "good" bacteria.


I should have said, "mostly" instead of "basically" -- I tend to mix up my words sometimes. I agree that the colon is full of bacteria; it's the small intestine that should be mostly sterile. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/389076 You're right, though that the colon is loaded with bacteria that should be mostly good bacteria, but in people with dysbiosis, that isn't always the case.

[Jeana]

I should have said, "mostly" instead of "basically" -- I tend to mix up my words sometimes. I agree that the colon is full of bacteria; it's the small intestine that should be mostly sterile. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/389076 You're right, though that the colon is loaded with bacteria that should be mostly good bacteria, but in people with dysbiosis, that isn't always the case.

Aside from the skin, the intestinal tract is the most contaminated part of the body. We'd suffer from malnutrition as well as not be able to consume enough calories of it weren't for the flora in the small intestines. We can't live without them. As was pointed out, it's beneficial bacteria, but all of it is really bad if it gets into the abdominal cavity through injury or surgery. That's the killer of apendicitis.

[stepka]

the colon is loaded with bacteria that should be mostly good bacteria, but in people with dysbiosis, that isn't always the case. I suspect that dysbiosis runs rampant in this country, and may have much to do with the kids allergies to food. Antibiotics alone would cause an imbalance, and then soda (more than very occasionally) would finish them off.

[manonash]

I suspect that dysbiosis runs rampant in this country, and may have much to do with the kids allergies to food. Antibiotics alone would cause an imbalance, and then soda (more than very occasionally) would finish them off.

Yup, the sugar, and those good corn based food products. Carbohydrate feast.

[countrygma]

Very insightful in many respects escept for this: "There are very effective treatments to remove toxins from the liver, thus ridding the person of their allergies."

Allergies don't have anything do with the liver or toxins. Allergies are an overactive immune system, one that overreacts to what the systems consider to be "foreign." Anaphylaxis is an acute multi-system reaction to certain chemicals.

How many kids had allergies when we were growing up? I didn't know any. Certainly no one with asthma. It's certainly environment and probably diet, but it's probably several things all at once that causes some people's immune system to overload and flip out and attack its own body.

Jeana,

I do agree that allergies are the result of an over active immune system.. which has to do with both leaky gut syndrome, and a congested liver due to toxins. :p That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
I didn't know any kids with allergies when I was growing up either, and my studies have made me believe it is due to the increase in vaccinations, use of antibiotics and other pharmaceutical drugs, all the chemicals and toxins in and on our food and water, and the list goes on and on..

I agree it's complex, but mostly it is very sad that we have become so unhealthy due to big corporations, including pharmaceutical companies becoming so greedy they don't care that they are killing us.

Sometimes I wonder if it is being done on purpose..some big scheme to cut back on population.

[countrygma]

Don't have the answer, but I know that in an overloaded closed salt water aqaurium reef tank setup, where evaporation is compensated for with RO water, and minerals used in coral growth is replaced, toxins can build up unless there is a removal mechanism via partial water changes and/or algea trimming. Coral growth is poor, blue-green algea (cyanobacteria) and hair algea is a problem, fish are subject to disease, etc. A maintenance nightmare.

With a non overloaded system, only replacement water is needed, plus mineral additions to replace that used by coral growth. Good coral growth and division, fish are healthy, tank is sparkling clean, and biggest problem is staying ahead of the coraline growth on the glass.

I imagine the human body is similar in many respects ( blood plasma being close to sea water ) and an overloaded system will have all kinds of disease and problems, whereas a well balanced system is a delight.

With the over-consuption of sugars, esp. corn based sweetners, processed foods, no sunlight, fresh air, etc... The body has become a cesspool and it is showing. All over the last 50 years or so, with a fast progression in the last 20, imo.

Kids today are sick. And it is all about bad diet and no play outside... Too many video games and tv butt sitting time. Just my opine, fwiw...

BTW.. pop is a "treat" here. Only occasional use. The most frequent sweetner here is honey or raw sugar. Lots of outside time, and physical chores and play. NO video games here. Not much tv time. Kids are all very healthy, trim, and athletic. No alergies that we know of. Food is more plain and basic, mostly cooked from scratch.

Hod

I agree 100%. Excellent analogy.

[countrygma]

Wow, that's crazy about the aspartme. I watched that Dr. Know program about a year ago and they did testing on aspartme. A viewer wanted to know if aspartme had formaldehyde in it. It doesn't, but when they mixed it with stomach acids it turned into formaldehyde. Scary stuff!

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Here is a link that talks about aspartame and formaldehyde.

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/embalm.html

[ovenbird]

I try to avoid those unpronounceable ingredients and food additives also. I think there is just not enough known about the effects of these engineered foods in the human body. Remember that the cats and dogs who died from pet food were poisoned by tainted wheat gluten from China. Many of those unpronounceable food additives could also come from China. I am not saying that everything from China is bad, but in their repressive society, people are trying to get ahead, and misrepresent things to the authorities to save face, or avoid punishment.

Even if they are from the US or other reputable places, we just do not know what they really do to us. We know that man progressed for thousands of years on whole foods though. Seems like a no-brainer to me. People say " Well, you don't work full time. You have time to garden. But not everyone does." To which my reply is "Maybe thy should examine their priorities."

[FarmerCathy]

Here is a link that talks about aspartame and formaldehyde.

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/embalm.html

Yikes!

[countrygma]

I try to avoid those unpronounceable ingredients and food additives also. I think there is just not enough known about the effects of these engineered foods in the human body. Remember that the cats and dogs who died from pet food were poisoned by tainted wheat gluten from China. Many of those unpronounceable food additives could also come from China. I am not saying that everything from China is bad, but in their repressive society, people are trying to get ahead, and misrepresent things to the authorities to save face, or avoid punishment.

Even if they are from the US or other reputable places, we just do not know what they really do to us. We know that man progressed for thousands of years on whole foods though. Seems like a no-brainer to me. People say " Well, you don't work full time. You have time to garden. But not everyone does." To which my reply is "Maybe thy should examine their priorities."

While I agree with you about being cautious about foods (and other products, i.e. toys) from China, don't fool yourself for one minute into believing the US FDA protects us with reputable products. It is really important for the future of our children and our country, that the scam between the FDA and big corporations including those like Monsanto and the big pharmaceutical companies is revealed. Please read the book about the FDA I have mentioned in other places. (The History of a Crime Against the Food Law written by the first head of the FDA Harvey W. Wiley and published in 1929.

Just recently, the FDA has outlawed the natural estrogen product estriol, so if anyone is using it and getting it from a compounding pharmacist, look for that source to go away. Why would they do this you ask? Because it is not a pharmaceutical and the drug companies can't make a ton of money on it.

Pull the wool off your eyes.. . our govt and the FDA are not our friends!!!:(

"Companies Warned About Unsupported Hormone Therapy Claims
FDA has sent letters warning seven pharmacy operations that claims they make about the safety and effectiveness of their so-called "bio-identical hormone replacement therapy," or "BHRT," products are unsupported by medical evidence, and that the agency considers these claims to be false and misleading. The pharmacy operations improperly claim that their drugs are superior to FDA-approved menopausal hormone therapy drugs and that they prevent or treat serious diseases, including Alzheimer's disease, stroke, and various forms of cancer.
http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01772.html

[countrygma]

Yikes!

Yeah! Here is an interesting tid bit written while Don Rumsfeldt was Sec of Defense. Yeah.. the govt is our friend.. not!!!:(

http://www.rense.com/general33/legal.htm

[stepka]

Another scary thought about aspartame. It breaks down faster and into even more poisonous products if stored in conditions hotter than room temp. Think about the soldiers in Iraq--you know they drink the stuff. And why then do they put it in hot chocolate and jello? These people have known for a long time what they are doing and they're doing it anyway.

[countrygma]

Another scary thought about aspartame. It breaks down faster and into even more poisonous products if stored in conditions hotter than room temp. Think about the soldiers in Iraq--you know they drink the stuff. And why then do they put it in hot chocolate and jello? These people have known for a long time what they are doing and they're doing it anyway.

Yes, you are right. At times I wonder how greed can make people so uncaring, then my mind wanders to perhaps intention?? :confused: But that is a place I really don't want to go. Just too hard to imagine that humans have stooped that low.

Facts indicate that some might be considered pawns of the most elite, and are puppets at the end of strings. Case in point, Dick Cheney drinks lots of diet Sprite according to some things I have read.. so it appears that ignorance plagues some of those in power also.