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stepka
June 12th, 2008, 11:17 AM
I read the article this am, and it's interesting because he contrasts the differences between the US and the Soviet Union before their economic collapse. His argument is that they weathered it much better than we would because of the way their system was built, not because of superiority of the people. It's very interesting and funny even (!), so I'll just paraphrase some of it for you:

Published on 4 Dec 2006 by Energy Bulletin. Archived on 4 Dec 2006.
Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US
by Dmitry Orlov

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I am not an expert or a scholar or an activist. I am more of an eye-witness. I watched the Soviet Union collapse, and I have tried to put my observations into a concise message. I will leave it up to you to decide just how urgent a message it is.

My talk tonight is about the lack of collapse-preparedness here in the United States. I will compare it with the situation in the Soviet Union, prior to its collapse. The rhetorical device I am going to use is the "Collapse Gap" – to go along with the Nuclear Gap, and the Space Gap, and various other superpower gaps that were fashionable during the Cold War.
The Soviet agricultural sector was notoriously inefficient. Many people grew and gathered their own food even in relatively prosperous times. There were food warehouses in every city, stocked according to a government allocation scheme. There were very few restaurants, and most families cooked and ate at home. Shopping was rather labor-intensive, and involved carrying heavy loads. Sometimes it resembled hunting – stalking that elusive piece of meat lurking behind some store counter. So the people were well-prepared for what came next.

In the United States, most people get their food from a supermarket, which is supplied from far away using refrigerated diesel trucks. Many people don't even bother to shop and just eat fast food. When people do cook, they rarely cook from scratch. This is all very unhealthy, and the effect on the nation's girth, is visible, clear across the parking lot. A lot of the people, who just waddle to and from their cars, seem unprepared for what comes next. If they suddenly had to start living like the Russians, they would blow out their knees.It is certainly more fun to watch two Capitalist parties go at each other than just having the one Communist party to vote for. The things they fight over in public are generally symbolic little tokens of social policy, chosen for ease of public posturing. The Communist party offered just one bitter pill. The two Capitalist parties offer a choice of two placebos. The latest innovation is the photo finish election, where each party buys 50% of the vote, and the result is pulled out of statistical noise, like a rabbit out of a hat.
One area in which I cannot discern any Collapse Gap is national politics. The ideologies may be different, but the blind adherence to them couldn't be more similar.

The American way of dealing with dissent and with protest is certainly more advanced: why imprison dissidents when you can just let them shout into the wind to their heart's content?

The American approach to bookkeeping is more subtle and nuanced than the Soviet. Why make a state secret of some statistic, when you can just distort it, in obscure ways? Here's a simple example: inflation is "controlled" by substituting hamburger for steak, in order to minimize increases to Social Security payments. For the rest of the story: http://www.energybulletin.net/23259.html Anyway, interesting read from someone who witnessed the downfall of the SU, and has been an American citizen for several years.

hort stu
June 12th, 2008, 12:54 PM
interesting

bunkie
June 12th, 2008, 01:10 PM
that's a very interesting article stepka and makes a lot of sense. i remember hearing that in the USSR one could pay his property taxes with a pig! wouldn't that be great?!

i thought that the reason for the USSR economic collapse was due to the US involvement of trying to make them a democracy. i thought the US helped them halfway through then pulled out and they fell. am i wrong?

stepka
June 12th, 2008, 02:02 PM
that's a very interesting article stepka and makes a lot of sense. i remember hearing that in the USSR one could pay his property taxes with a pig! wouldn't that be great?!

i thought that the reason for the USSR economic collapse was due to the US involvement of trying to make them a democracy. i thought the US helped them halfway through then pulled out and they fell. am i wrong?
OY! And where would I get a pig?:D

I'm not sure how to answer your last question--maybe I haven't kept up with it like I should. It's possible, but he makes no such claim in his article, which is probably best because he's an American now.