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[tweed]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Yes Steve it's quite normal. Colorado Potato Beetles are equal opportunity pests when it comes to tomato foliage, regardless of the form of the leaves.

Or perhaps you were thinking that the potato part indicated a draw to CPBs?

Nope, since the leaf shape resembles true potato leaves, with smooth margins, that's why they were so named and varieties with angora foliage were named b/c the grey fuzziness resembles angora as in rabbits, goats, etc? I don't know for sure but there are many perennials that also have angora foliage as well.

Does that help?

Carolyn

Yes, it does help.
It is still confusing to me though.
Imagine that!

Steve

[G. Gordon Gumbo]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

So you discount the fact that Charlie Knoy gave seeds to Barbara Lund who first listed Yellow Brandywine in the SSE Yearbook?

We've been thru this all before. No, I accept that Charlie Knoy gave Barbara Lund seeds for what she told Craig LeHoullier is "Yellow Brandywine." I just have never seen anyone say that Charlie Knoy TOLD Barbara Lund that the tomato was called "Yellow Brandywine" and no one has ever answered my concern in that regard with proof or even heresay. Actually, quite the opposite. So, at this time and to me, Barbara Lund could've been just as creative as Lisa with regard to variety naming. Right?


GGG

[G. Gordon Gumbo]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

As you know I'm the one who added Platfoot to the seeds I got from Gary Platfoot in OH b'c it did differ enough, I thought, that it was worthwhile designating it as a strain. Craig and I did the same with Golden Queen b'c the seeds we got from the USDA met the description of ... I agree that there's no proof that YB is related to Brandywine, and certainly not RB. But what's the three years about? The first listing I see for YB is in the 1992 Yearbook where Craig L listed it, seeds from Barbara Lund.

Yes, we've discussed this before also. Let's see. Craig got "Yellow Brandywine" from Barbara Lund in 1991 and forwarded seeds to Johnny's Selected Seeds (When? And were they seeds from Lund or seeds saved from Craig's grow-out making them 1992 or later?) Craig then listed Yellow Brandywine in the Yearbook as you say in 1992. Where did Gary Platfoot get his seeds and when did he start his selection? Summer of 1992 at the earliest? 1993?

Platfoot Strain was first listed in the Yearbook in 1996. So, there's the three years I'm talking about ... 1993, 1994, 1995, save those seeds and list them in 1996 Yearbook. Three seasons makes a "strain?" Okay, stretch it to 1992. '93, '94 and '95 growing seasons. Four years makes a strain?

I recall a bit of criticism about my calling a particular selection "Indian Stripe B" after selecting for earlier and larger fruit 2006, 2007, 2008 and again this summer. Goose and gander. Not something worth arguing over though, really. Just think it probably takes 6 - 8 years of keen observation and selection from a large population of plants to really call something a strain.


GGG

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by G. Gordon Gumbo

We've been thru this all before. No, I accept that Charlie Knoy gave Barbara Lund seeds for what she told Craig LeHoullier is "Yellow Brandywine." I just have never seen anyone say that Charlie Knoy TOLD Barbara Lund that the tomato was called "Yellow Brandywine" and no one has ever answered my concern in that regard with proof or even heresay. Actually, quite the opposite. So, at this time and to me, Barbara Lund could've been just as creative as Lisa with regard to variety naming. Right?


GGG

No argument from me at all as to Knoy telling Lund that it was what he called Yellow Brandywine. I don't even know if he or she named it and if so I don't know why it was named Yellow Brandywine.

The only thing that makes a bit of sense is that Red Brandywine was an Amish variety found near the Brandywine River in PA in Chester CO.

And why the name just Brandywine? Same suggestion and that's the possibility that in both cases it could have been that the names came from local Amish, the Yellow in Indiana, where Amish settled as you know, and Brandywine who knows where, to be honest since the history of that one remains unclear to me and there are so many claims as to what it might have been called at one time.

In talking about the Brandywines I've always said that there's no relationship known between either Yellow Brandywine and for sure Red Brandywine with what we know as Brandywine.

So I don't think we disagree on this one at all.

Carolyn

[carolyn137]

I can answer some of your questions but certainly not all of them. I took the quote marks out so I could answer by paragraph.


Gordon Gumbo;405755]Yes, we've discussed this before also. Let's see. Craig got "Yellow Brandywine" from Barbara Lund in 1991 and forwarded seeds to Johnny's Selected Seeds (When? And were they seeds from Lund or seeds saved from Craig's grow-out making them 1992 or later?) Craig then listed Yellow Brandywine in the Yearbook as you say in 1992. Where did Gary Platfoot get his seeds and when did he start his selection? Summer of 1992 at the earliest? 1993?
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I don't know when Craig sent seeds to Rob Johnston, nor do I know if they were original seeds from Lund or Craig's saved seeds/ I'm sure Craig could answer those questions for you.

The seeds Gary Platfoot sent me were from his saved seeds for Yellow Brandywine that he had been growing. He made no selection at all. And I don't know where or when he got his seeds.

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Platfoot Strain was first listed in the Yearbook in 1996. So, there's the three years I'm talking about ... 1993, 1994, 1995, save those seeds and list them in 1996 Yearbook. Three seasons makes a "strain?" Okay, stretch it to 1992. '93, '94 and '95 growing seasons. Four years makes a strain?

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No, I grew what Gary sent me and I grew the YB I got from I guess Craig, but I can't be sure about that and there was a difference between the two and enough for me to want to call it a strain which I did based on fruit differences as to smoothness and higher yield by quite a bit.

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I recall a bit of criticism about my calling a particular selection "Indian Stripe B" after selecting for earlier and larger fruit 2006, 2007, 2008 and again this summer. Goose and gander. Not something worth arguing over though, really. Just think it probably takes 6 - 8 years of keen observation and selection from a large population of plants to really call something a strain.

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I don't remember my saying anything at all to you about your IS B b/c I didn't even know there was an A and B until I read that here at idig.

I'm not so sure it might take that long to confirm a strain. I was hesitant to send the Platfoot strain to Linda at TGS for trial b'c she already was listing a YB, but Vince grew both and was convinced enough that there was a difference. And I switched to Gary Platfoots version after I too compared his with what I'd been growing before.

Best I can do with your questions.

Carolyn

[G. Gordon Gumbo]

Well, regardless of how it got its name and how the Platfoot strain came to be, if I ever grow Yellow Brandywine again, I'll try the Platfoot because the other Yellow Brandywine I grew was a waste of garden space for the few tomatoes it produced. Delicious but I believe I only got 4 or 5 tomatoes on that vine. Similar to Lucky Cross in that regard. Delicious but few.


GGG

[Susie]

Tomato wars.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by Susie

Tomato wars.

No, tomato wars happen in a town in Spain in the Fall, I forget the name, but the pictures are memorable with folks pelting each other with fruits and wallowing in splatted tomatoes on the cobblestones.

GGG and I know each other well and have for many years. We discuss, we argue, but it's not wars, just minor skirmishes from time to time, without weapons.

Carolyn

[TheDane]

The new shopping cart is not working for international orders I have tried to preorder, but it is not possible. It makes these wierd letters in my address information "øш". It also says this "Sorry, but we cannot calculate your shipping.
You may continue your order, but additional shipping charges may be applied."

[Susie]

Originally Posted by TheDane

The new shopping cart is not working for international orders I have tried to preorder, but it is not possible. It makes these wierd letters in my address information "øш". It also says this "Sorry, but we cannot calculate your shipping.
You may continue your order, but additional shipping charges may be applied."

It worked for me yesterday. Try again. Or continue the order and see how much it is with the shipping.