%% members of Congress Sing GMO labeling Letter

[Imp]

Originally Posted by FAADAN

As far a your signature line, didn't Texas execute Enron?

Texas has to just do everything, LOL.

[fugacity]

Oh, so food safety is based on popular opinion. Good to know.

I certainly think elected congressmen are the best, most scientifically-capable people we have to determine GM food safety.

[bunkie]

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

Hey OHIO (And the rest who are behind the idea),,, get to clicking and commenting over here will ya'? Call the neighbors and so forth.

http://www.facebook.com/WhiteHouse/p...47278462031363

thanks for the link fritz!

[FritzDaKat]

It's not really a matter of safety whatsoever fugacityu,, the Public, a.k.a. We the People WANT TO KNOW whats in the food they want to feed us and we will not accept any less than an "OK" from the feds on this or people will take matters into their own hands via routes of corporate espionage just as with Julian Assange & Wikileaks, the names will be found, Anonymous wont stand for it and neither will we the people. I will put money on the bare truth of it, Not saying it will be me, or anyone else in here or any such sort of nonsense,,, but look outside at whats happening in the world and you tell me I'm wrong.

Imp and I as both sort of view the reality similarly, with open pollination, it will become a nightmare for every Heirloom or organic farmer wanting to sell crops at market as there will suddenly be inspectors running genetic fingerprinting on everything before it goes to market,,, and with the # of farms added to the a-typical Bureaucratic efficiency of our government, how many of those crops awaiting lab results will remain sellable long enough to make it to market before spoiling?

I mean the beginning of the program would be hard enough to start, but with the constant concern of open pollination I dont think the taskwill get any easier short of Monsanto geneticly "Tagging it" Making corn polkadotted or pinstriped or something to mark the variety more clearly as being theirs or something.

I don't know, the application of the idea has issues frankly but I think it will be well worth the effort to at least try "some approach" (One of which I laid out point blank on the white house wall), but issues always have solutions...

[fugacity]

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

It's not really a matter of safety whatsoever fugacityu,, the Public, a.k.a. We the People WANT TO KNOW whats in the food they want to feed us and we will not accept any less than an "OK" from the feds on this or people will take matters into their own hands via routes of corporate espionage just as with Julian Assange & Wikileaks, the names will be found, Anonymous wont stand for it and neither will we the people. I will put money on the bare truth of it, Not saying it will be me, or anyone else in here or any such sort of nonsense,,, but look outside at whats happening in the world and you tell me I'm wrong.

Imp and I as both sort of view the reality similarly, with open pollination, it will become a nightmare for every Heirloom or organic farmer wanting to sell crops at market as there will suddenly be inspectors running genetic fingerprinting on everything before it goes to market,,, and with the # of farms added to the a-typical Bureaucratic efficiency of our government, how many of those crops awaiting lab results will remain sellable long enough to make it to market before spoiling?

I mean the beginning of the program would be hard enough to start, but with the constant concern of open pollination I dont think the taskwill get any easier short of Monsanto geneticly "Tagging it" Making corn polkadotted or pinstriped or something to mark the variety more clearly as being theirs or something.

I don't know, the application of the idea has issues frankly but I think it will be well worth the effort to at least try "some approach" (One of which I laid out point blank on the white house wall), but issues always have solutions...

I'm sorry, you kind of lost me. What are people taking into their own hands Wiki leaks style? What gov't inspectors and why? Are you talking about identifying GMO vs. non?

To me this is like arguing over whether we should label hybrid vs OP food. Either it is safe or not. We can go silly on this real quick, but I say it's food or not. If it is, then no label needed unless there is some dietary difference that goes on the nutrition facts label.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by fugacity

I'm sorry, you kind of lost me. What are people taking into their own hands Wiki leaks style? What gov't inspectors and why? Are you talking about identifying GMO vs. non?

To me this is like arguing over whether we should label hybrid vs OP food. Either it is safe or not. We can go silly on this real quick, but I say it's food or not. If it is, then no label needed unless there is some dietary difference that goes on the nutrition facts label.

True.

I don't think it will be any more of a night mare to sell or grow OP crops than it is now- take corn, for an example. One can grow corn, of any sort, for consumption and if you want it to be "pure" seed- such as an OP versus Hybrid, GMO or GE or even another OP variety, one will have to either isolate it properly with distance or time of pollen shed, or cover/bag it in some fashion.

[FritzDaKat]

Originally Posted by Imp

True.

I don't think it will be any more of a night mare to sell or grow OP crops than it is now- take corn, for an example. One can grow corn, of any sort, for consumption and if you want it to be "pure" seed- such as an OP versus Hybrid, GMO or GE or even another OP variety, one will have to either isolate it properly with distance or time of pollen shed, or cover/bag it in some fashion.

They can and yet for the sake that no one can seem to find much GMO free Corn these days, it makes the problem a relatively simple one.

And now say we were neighbors, both having spent generations on our land, our families both growing heirloom like most of the world has...

Hypothetically speaking Are YOU going to go plant your GMO crop miles and miles away from my fields when you decide to try GMO,,, or would I be forced to take a torch to your crop which is threatening the purity of mine and my livelihood and the very land my forefathers had left me to be a good Stewart of?

And why even the NEED for all this when the very reason so many are staring in the world is POWER itself, we grow more than enough to feed EVERYONE on this planet and we all KNOW this right?

Why are they focusing on GMO FOODS and not so much on Biofuels and other forms of fast growing biomass,,, which when properly processed will in turn PROVIDE THE VERY SOIL that so many are trying to farm without?

Biochar an Compost are both waste byproducts o a simple form of energy production that COULD BE powering ALL our cities, the very biomass used derived from the spent waste of the Biodiesel processing plants,,,

Terra Preta
Terra Preta
Terra preta...

http://www.facebook.com/Desertgreeni...42352892468482 <--- AND it's Beginning already

SOON the world will have NO NEED for GMO food crops or really even much fertilizer when you stop to consider it, but the science behind GMO crops will be most useful to all the Industries of man in the future, of this much I'm sure.

http://www.idigmygarden.com/forums/s...ht=terra+preta

[Mulligan Man]

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

They can and yet for the sake that no one can seem to find much GMO free Corn these days,

One must not be looking or trying to hard. Or at all.

[deciduousLychees]

If you want specialty labeling, the free market is right there. If anyone wants food labeled as containing or not containing genetically engineered ingredients, you'll have to go through the free market just like everyone else. Buyers create demand and sellers create supply. That's just how it works. If you can't create enough market demand, going to the government to get what you want is not a valid alternative. Could you imagine the torches & pitchforks that would go up if Jewish or Muslim groups did that and demanded that the government put mandatory labels for Kosher/non-Kosher or Halal/Haram on food?

Besides, its easy enough to tell what food is genetically engineered. If it has corn, soy, cottonseed, canola, alfalfa, sugar beet, summer squash, or papaya (from the US), it may be GE, and given how most of those are processed, it's probably got GE ingredients in it.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

They can and yet for the sake that no one can seem to find much GMO free Corn these days, it makes the problem a relatively simple one.

There are plenty of non-GMO corn seed about and available- you haven't looked too hard, maybe?

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

And now say we were neighbors, both having spent generations on our land, our families both growing heirloom like most of the world has...

Hypothetically speaking Are YOU going to go plant your GMO crop miles and miles away from my fields when you decide to try GMO,,, or would I be forced to take a torch to your crop which is threatening the purity of mine and my livelihood and the very land my forefathers had left me to be a good Stewart of?

In this hypothetical, if I don't need to worry about the seed I produce being clean of any other pollen drift, then it becomes your problem if you want pure seed, not mine to plant a buffer zone against any sort of pollen drift- from other varieties of OP, hybrid, GMO, or GE grown corn.

You destroy anything on my land or interfere with anything on my land because you do not like my choice of crop, way of farming , pesticide use or any reason, you would be breaking the law and violating my rights to my own property.

No more your right to destroy my GMO crop, than my right to enter your property illegally and destroy your corn crop because of any reason.

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

And why even the NEED for all this when the very reason so many are staring in the world is POWER itself, we grow more than enough to feed EVERYONE on this planet and we all KNOW this right?

No, I don't agree with your assumption.

Originally Posted by FritzDaKat

Why are they focusing on GMO FOODS and not so much on Biofuels and other forms of fast growing biomass,,, which when properly processed will in turn PROVIDE THE VERY SOIL that so many are trying to farm without?

Biochar an Compost are both waste byproducts o a simple form of energy production that COULD BE powering ALL our cities, the very biomass used derived from the spent waste of the Biodiesel processing plants,,,

Terra Preta
Terra Preta
Terra preta...

<--- AND it's Beginning already

SOON the world will have NO NEED for GMO food crops or really even much fertilizer when you stop to consider it, but the science behind GMO crops will be most useful to all the Industries of man in the future, of this much I'm sure.

You want the science behind the GMO research, but not the products? Without testing as much in the fields, it's not fully developed.

<shrug>